The reliability factor is crucial, and the simplicity of a good maintenance-free mechanical brake system is pretty failsafe. The lever throw feels very light on the Hope Tech 4 E4 brakes. I used to use Shimano, but I hated the looks. After all, some people dont even think that mountain biking is a sport anyway. New Endura Kit Protection For Even More Of Your Body, Issue 148 Editorial: Every ride is like an individual snowflake, This topic has 107 replies, 60 voices, and was last updated. Id recommend them. TESTED: Four-Piston Brakes - SRAM Code RSC, Shimano XT M8020 and Hope E4 - Flow Mountain Bike THE BEST WAY TO MAKE YOUR MTB HUB LOUDER!! I love the modulation on my xts btw and would never go back to being hopeless on the brakes! If you dont believe the price, then dont worry, neither did we when we first met Clarks M2 a few years ago. The calliper is all-new too. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for For SHIMANO-SRAM Magura Hope Disc Brake Rotor Disc Brake 44mm-Hole Bicycle Bike at the best online prices at eBay! The floating rotors are also lovely in combination with colour matched Hope hubs. IME sintered pads have less bite than organic ones at low speed. You just cant beat Shimano for the money. When it comes to disc brakes for road bikes, two-piston brakes dominate the market, however, British outfit Hope has turned the braking power up to 11 - well actually, four - with its RX4 caliper . Generally, this is a low risk. I like the look of Hope, the machining is nice to look at and feel but ironically, its an inferior option- Hope cant forge parts like that so they cnc them, but it makes for a heavier and (for a given weight) weaker part. Properly summit to valley floor mountain proof, 'All Conditions' pad option will suit most riders better, Evergreen monster power brake at a great price, Not everyone will need the included rotors, Love/hate brake feel but undoubted max power bargain, Pricey but powerful and communicative comeback brake, Wide adjustment, easy set up and bleeding, Not as subtle or adjustable as pricier SRAM brakes, The best feel and modulation of any brake around, Codes offer significantly more power for a little weight penalty, Unique looks, fantastic support, adequate performance, Great reliability and ridiculously good back up, We check over 250 million products every day for the best prices. SRAM Force and Rival are both great performers that have proven to be extremely reliable over the years. Next set of brakes will probably be Formula. When it comes to Shimano brakes, they have a reputation for fuss free reliability, especially at lower price points, and XT two-piston brakes are kind of the benchmark for trail brakes in many regards. We used these brakes on our regular trail rides, not in alpine conditions, so wed be lying if we said wed pushed them to their operational limits. Hopes can be pernickety on set up but when you get them set up properly you'll struggle to find a better brake, loads of modulation and with 200/220 disk enough power to stop a bus. Whether the few grams saved on the carbon lever of the RSC is worth having is a moot point but they do feel warmer on fingers in winter and the cartridge bearing upgrade you get on the RSC gives a silky smooth, wobble-free feel. Whats he using and why? Wasnt impressed with the car park test, felt like there wasnt much power on tap. I know that says more about eBay but it paid for my upgrade to tech 4 Evos ? DOT3 isnt the same as DOT5.1, which is whats used in SRAM/Avid and Hope brakes. Free . Theres a lot of free stroke and no bite point adjust too so you need to like a lever-on-bars feel. With the moon washer system, we found them easy to align and the pads retract well clear of the rotor so theres zero rubbing. service especially), the combination of value & performance of the Shimano stuff is unbeatable, Id always advise people to buy Shimano. Please, It appears you're using an old version of Internet Explorer which is. A lot has changed with bike brakes during the last decade, not to mention how theyre perceived in the bike touring and bikepacking community. The Hope lever is much longer than the Shimano which could be a positive or negative from your point of view. You need to be logged in to use these features. Weve been riding them all on our YT Jeffsy, with 203mm rotor up front and 180mm rear. But, Id also consider TRP Spykes, depending on the location; as mentioned, the Shimano B01S type brake pads might be a little more common. Worryingly, theres a massive variety of performance across the spectrum, and as well as character and power, theres also a wide range of weight and cost issues to juggle with when hunting down the best mountain bike brakes for your bike. The Local Overnighters Project is a unified effort to document and map one-night bikepacking routes all over the worldby locals, in their own backyards. Shimano makes utterly trustworthy, seemingly indestructible and very affordable kit very well and the latest Deore M6100 brake (and the M6000 before it) is the absolute epitome of that. If a bigger rotor is needed, the user can install an adapter. I know hope have moved into the drivetrain department but I would never buy their running gear, for this I would always use SHIMANO. Lack of Swing Link leverage change means delivery of its hefty power is dramatic so be careful while bedding it in. Theyre reliable and have strong stopping power with a great lever feel. They also dont wear and erode rims. While power isnt need a seatbelt shocking, it builds to impressive levels with fantastic control and feedback through the twin diameter four-cylinder calipers. teK-- said: Had M820. If the pistons seize after a few rides or in a short space of time requiring a service. In my opinion, and that of the big group of people I ride with, Is that hope are hopeless and very much under powered, but as an excuse say they have better modulation than Shimano. Fractionally behind on power but still eyeball-straining and utterly reliable, with a feel that riders like at a bargain price are Shimanos Zee brakes. All that said, even if you dont feel they need it, bleeding your brakes every year (or six months, if you ride a lot) can help reduce the chance of contamination. I think hydros are super reliable most of the time, but if one does fail for one reason or another, its difficult to do much about it, compared with carrying a spare steel cable. & that covers every subject about purchasing anything on this godforsaken forum. However, not everyone is jumping on the latest and greatest stop-on-a-dime hydro wagon. The four-cylinder E4 calipers dont bite as hard as most other trail four-pots though and a blunt feel means they tend to blow arms up fast on rough or extended descents. I wanted something that was beautifully CNC machined and shiney, and not made in a sweatshop by immigrants. Bedding in takes a while (wet weather helps) but power is plentiful when it gets there. (New annually renewing membership only. We dont have as much time on them, so we cant report on long-term durability, but Lucass experiences with them on the Curve Kevin of Steel and Bombtrack Hook EXT Ti he reviewed were very positive. Then I bought a set of Saint M810s and I wondered why I had bothered running Hope brakes for so long. The most noticeable difference though is a crisper, better communicated feel all round, keeping heart rate reasonable even in the sketchiest, slipperiest, turn in or wipe out moments. Concurrently, a growing number of riders were tossing old standards into the wind and running disc brakes on big around-the-world bike tours. We've featured several of their brakes and they've been steadily building their presence on the World Cup Circuit. Heres what Cass Gilbert had to say: Its hard to go back to mechanicals after hydros but when I do, its generally Avid BB7s set up with compressionless cable housing. They really are under $70 for both brakes, plus rotors and relevant brackets and bolts and theyve also upsized the front rotor to 180mm. Oh how wrong I was. On a longer trip, you could carry a funnel or syringes if youre worried about itor just rely on bike shops. Viewing 40 posts - 1 through 40 (of 108 total), Brakes Hope vs Shimano. Click here to login, or start an account if youre not yet a member of the Bikepacking Collective. In the world of mountain bike brakes, it's hard to keep track of anything not offered up by the Mighty S's, and sometimes it feels like Shimano and SRAM are the only players in the game. Last month, I took a set of Avid Elixir R, Hope Tech M4s and Formula The One to Nevis Range and tried each set on the DH track (on my HT). The two most common these days are post mount and flat mount. The only one weve tried so far is the Yokozuna Ultimo. If having brilliant backup is what youre after then nobody beats Hope, who has a van at practically every UK event and will bend over backwards to help if you have an issue. Your just ANTI Hope ! (Im pretty sure their machining is designed to be really obvious, they certainly have the kit and the skill to make more refined parts but the hardware to make small forgings costs megabucks so better to make their weakness a strength, clever). Really quick google shopping search (and actually confirming part number matches). a group = 10 so a big group must number 20 ? Nowadays, hydraulic brakes have become a new norm for a lot of bikepackers, as wire brakes get denigrated to the old-tech bin. I would always buy HOPE ! We and our partners use data for Personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. As for set up, I dont have any experience of bleeding the Shimanos, but the Hopes are dead easy just using a spanner and bleeding downwards. The hydraulics vs. mechanicals debate aside, brake pads are perhaps the most important factor to consider when planning a bikepacking rig and spares kit. Having had a set of elixir rs they were ad in many ways, Lever feel However, there are very few options on the market in this category, and most for short-pull (drop-bar) levers: Yokozuna Ultimo, Juin Tech GT (same as Yokozunas), and TRP HY/RD. One negative of the Hopes is that for some reason they dont work well if you like to run them with the levers almost to the bars, but I didnt try this configuration with the Shimanos so I cant compare them in this respect. The Print+ membership where Singletrack magazine drops through your door, plus full digital access, is normally 45, now only 22.50 with the code. Two piston caliper Alloy lever blade Tool-free reach adjust 392g SRAM Level TLM - $170 Design and Build. The one caveat is that larger rotors are more likely to get bent or warp. I had the same experience with SLX. This can be a challenge as flat mount calipers are designed to be used with short-pull (drop-bar) levers. Took a few rides to stop dragging completely. Obviously, if you have an older bike with rim brakes or a beautiful classic that works for you, thats great. Something I couldnt so on the Avids or Hopes. Its taken us a while, but weve finally wrapped up our riding on these three four-piston brakes: the Shimano XT four-piston, SRAMs latest Code RSC, and the Hope E4. Hope vs shimano in Bikes, Parts, and Gear. ancker Posts: 164 Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:29 pm by ancker on Wed May 15, 2019 4:39 pm With a little planning, its pretty easy to do, but there are exceptions, such as if youre on a multi-month trip that involves a lot of mountains or gritty weather. Clarks and Deore will never hit DH (downhill) level deceleration but on the basis of each 20mm bigger you go on the rotor adding an extra 20 percent of power, you can certainly get them to the trail-taming point by upsizing your discs. That makes them a comically cost-effective option if your budget is tight. Which has more power and which comes out on top of the theoretical brake power tests in the mags is completely irrelevant. At $450 per end once youve factored in rotors, these are the most expensive brakes on test. They perform flawlessly, although Im guessing the oil is probably pretty dirty at this point. any comments . The overall snatchy then spongey feel definitely divides riders into lovers and haters but Youtube superstar Danny MacAskill does OK on them! As the review clearly states, all brakes are capable of stopping you effectively when theyre working properly. . BA1 1UA. I think build quality is something Avid suffer from, going by the user reports, primarily the factory bleeds suck. Thirdly in regard to the shimanos, I have small hands and the hope adjusters do actually work properly. Each issue features a collection of inspiring writing and beautiful photography. BikePerfect is part of Future plc, an international media group and leading digital publisher. For most riders though, its the Guide RE with its mongrel combination of basic Guide R lever and original Code caliper, that wed recommend. I switch things up a lot, and for that reason, Ive often opted for mechanical brakes on test builds. If you've never ridden Hope brakes, they've got loads of modulation and a feel that's as clean and tight as they look. As a comparison my Nomad has Evo tech M4s 183 / 183 These hybrid brakes offer a closed hydraulic system that is completely contained within the caliper, which is actuated by a cable-pull lever. Or your friends ? Its relatively light for its impressive bite too. Hope offers a bewildering array of rotors for the V4 - from 140mm to 225mm, floating or fixed, and even different thicknesses, and in about 20 million colours. Cant believe how powerful they are for the weight. We opted for a floating rotor, which has a stainless-steel braking surface loosely riveted to an aluminium carrier. I have put an XT on the rear of the hardtail and its nice, loads of power etc but it doesnt have the progression and feel of the Avids. The main issues are servicing, parts availability and life. Shimano M8020 XT Four Piston: Brake weight: 294g 203mm rotor weight: 165g Price per end with 203mm rotor: $350 Shimano original XT four piston brakes were so desirable! When it does, air makes its way into the system and compromises the compression forces of the otherwise incompressible brake fluid, resulting in a spongy or completely non-working lever. Interestingly, the levers are the same as the standard XT two-piston brakes as well, so you could just buy the calipers if you wanted to upgrade your regular XT brakes. CRC have cheap hope brake hose. Often referred to as the standard for disc brake performance. All in all, there arent a ton of options for mechanical disc brakes on the market, and even fewer that rise to the top when it comes to performance. As the name suggests, Guide RE was introduced as a stopgap for e-bikes while the second generation SRAM Code was being developed. Just like the XT's and Code RSC's, the DH-R EVO's perform exceedingly well if not better in certain aspects. Another option for drop-bar brakes that weve been impressed by more recently is Shimano GRX, which of course use mineral oil and a funnel to bleed. Hope CNC-machines its brakes (and pretty much everything else) in-house from single blocks of alloy, then anodises them in one of six bling colours. In this article, we take a look at the pros and cons of different types of brakes, reveal some of our favorites, and present a video on the subject. +1 Anyone going from Hope to Shimano like me will find the Shimanos a bit grabby with not a huge amount of feedback with which to judge the lock up point. Loose surfaces, weather conditions and endless lines make direct comparison impossible. One thing it does allow is for the reservoir to be mounted well inboard so there is enough room for both shifters and a Reverb remote mounted under the bar, outboard of the brake. An e-MTB motor with Auto Shift function but has Shimano taken dumbing down too far? Shimano rotors will operate properly with Hope brakes when the following criteria are met: The diameter of the rotors should match the one supported by the brakes. That means they invested serious R&D time in their Dominion comeback brake and its been worth it. That being said I hate bleeding Avids and my bikes in the shop at the minute as I gave up with trying to do them . Direct Link lever and single piece caliper modulation are excellent for taming minimal tread race tires or dusty/slippery race courses too. Bleeding brakes essentially means replacing the brake fluid to eliminate air or water from the system, or simply as scheduled maintenance to replace dirty oilsome contamination can penetrate the seals at the pistons and all brake manufacturers suggest a regular bleed. Please post more on this forum. We love the feel and operation of the chunky adjusters. Theyre the softer of the two and have a more modulated/feathered feel (vs. on-off) which makes them a little quieter. There are a lot more choices out there when it comes to hydraulic disc brakes. Im kind of with Richmtb. As you'd expect, the Tech 4 E4s are superbly powerful, but are also silky smooth and incredibly precise. The large finned pads rattle a little in the caliper. The floating rotors are also lovely in combination with colour matched Hope hubs. Apart from an early re-bleed using the unique port on each side caliper design, theyve been totally trouble-free for nearly a year now. Just make sure your frame and forks are big disc compatible too. Maybe Ive had good luck with the Avids Ive had (3 sets of Elixirs and 1 set of original Codes). And a digital membership where you can read all the digital magazines is normally 25, and now 12.50 with the code. I went with Hope as the pros/cons suit my requirements. This. They don't fade at all under constant braking like the Codes or XTs did, and didn't have the wandering bite point that has plagued Shimano for years. Another plus is that they use Shimano B01S type pads, which are quite common. This is a sealed system, so the master cylinder and line are full of brake fluid. It's important to keep in mind that each of these different brake sets were ridden and tested with "stock" rotors and pads. Those brakes you got are an upgrades and cost about $15 more a set. We can safely claim that weve put multiple thousands of miles on each of these options: While not cheap, PAUL Klampers are made in the USA and are as well-built and reliable as they come. Fair enough. More here. Levers feel nice and solid, with big sealed bearings at the lever pivot, so theres no waggle at all. The Hope callipers are 4 pot compared to the Shimano 2 pot so are more of a fiddle to get properly set up and I ended up having 3 goes before they were right, For me the Hopes are clear absolute winners because of their feel in use, build quality, adjustability and looks. While the design has changed a few times over the years theyve all been utterly, ridiculously reliable. Hope vs Shimano brake hose nathanm Apr 30, 2020 nathanm Likes Bikes and Dirt Apr 30, 2020 #1 Looking at making my own sm-bh90-sbm brake hose. $87.31 . Join Singletrack From Only 12.50 1/2 Price Singletrack Offer. Manage Settings This too is a relatively low risk, but it does happen. Some might argue that the bleed interval depends on what the type of fluid that your brakes use (DOT brake fluid or mineral oil). Ive got a pair of C2s and two pairs of Minis that are still going strong. The thickness of the rotors should also be compatible with the brakes. Guy Kesteven is Bike Perfect's technical editor-at-large. Quite like my K18 apart from crap pad life. Either way, the bite point adjuster dial feels crisper and clickier on G2 and the return feels faster and lighter thanks to improved piston seals at the calliper end. You'll want to fit the best mountain bike brakes you can, as brakes are arguably the most important control component on your bike. Thanks in advance for spreading the word! Over two days, we challenged each brake on Hope Technology's computer controlled dynamometer. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Hope mono M4 hydraulic rear disc brake at the best online prices at eBay! (HOPE) Sram Guide brake problems 5 Stan's No Tubes - 2016 Neo Hub Stan's 3.30/3.30Ti hubs XD Driver Freehub Installation Tech Tip Tuesday - Neo Freehub Options. Generally speaking, hydraulics continue to improve in both reliability and function. 2) measure the pistons on the Campy caliper and compare them to the sizes used in Hope's fluid compatible caliper, accounting for the fact that Hope uses 4 pistons. Headset, hubs, brakes. When riding off-road, disc brakes are essential. Looks and added bling capability aside they are also very crash resistant, the levers can be easily bent back into shape if needed and Hope are legendary for spare parts and serviceability if needed. What separates Level from other featherweights though is that you wont feel a compromise in terms of control. Now on E4. In fact, theres practically no difference. (Eg a cheaper alternative to XTR), Shimano Cons: Adjustability, Feel I find this review anything but objective. No idea how I keep ending up with sets (actually, yes I do, its because theyre often sold for under 50 and I just cant say no!). However I accept that others will prefer the feel of the Shimanos as this is subjective personal preference. Its kind of the best of both worlds. Watch Kriss Kyle riding a BMX bowl suspended under a hot air balloon in his spectacular new film, Don't Look Down, Merida has gone full rad on its OneSixty 8000 enduro mountain bike and it rides very well indeed. The pressure in the line engages pistons in the brake caliper, which pushes the two brake pads against the rotor. Endura has entered the helmet market across the pond, with helmets now certified to USA standards and on sale now. After that peculiar bike brake renaissance, mechanical discs became the gold standard for bike tourers, and disc brakes have all but replaced rim brakes across all categories of cyclingsave retro-tech aficionados, classic bike enthusiasts, and the budget/mass-market side of the industry. Carry on. The significant differences are price, reliability and lever feel. Never had any problem beyond bleeding with mine and once had to sort out a stuckpiston in fairness I had not used the bike for 6 months ish, My view price or weight get Shimano Cannot be used in conjunction with other offers, or when switching memberships), Contact UsPrivacyForum RulesClassifieds RulesLink RemovalNewsletter SettingsAdvertising. SRAM vs. Shimano Brakes (MTB Disc Brake Ultimate Comparison) - YouTube 0:00 / 18:09 Intro SRAM vs. Shimano Brakes (MTB Disc Brake Ultimate Comparison) Worldwide Cyclery 347K. Here are a few that we really like, all of which weve put thousands of miles on, both bikepacking and unloaded riding. Even after trimming the lines, we didnt need to bleed them. Ive just sold a pair of HOPE TECH M4s on eBay, 4 years old, well used 304 for the pair ! . Mondraker introduces the 2023 Foxy Carbon the ultimate do it all mountain bike. Good metal/sintered brake pads can last 1,000+ miles and are easy to replace. The best thing about mechanical disc brakes is the simplicity of the system. It bites better in filthy weather with aftermarket sintered pads too, although beware using them with softer, cheaper Shimano rotors. The Print+ . Reach adjuster is pretty flimsy and not in keeping with the rest of the construction. Use code HELLO54 when you join us as a print or digital member and your membership will be half price for the first year. 70.00 + 5.00 Postage. We were certainly impressed by them, but havent put in enough mileage in challenging conditions to give them a fair long-term durability test. Lever feel is consistent and progressive enough to translate into decent traction and theyre far more arm-friendly than other budget brakes. There are plenty of different options to suit different feel/performance preferences too. We and our partners use cookies to Store and/or access information on a device. Hayes' new Dominion gives a more progressive, lighter feel and some neat touches like sideways caliper adjustment. The Level Ultimate is super speedy but the carbon lever and titanium bolt kit help the brakes get towards a super low weight that real weight weenies will value. Which is best is just down to personal preference and priorities. Read on to find out the pros and cons of the two main types of disc brakes, some of our favorite models, the results of a reader survey we sent out last week, and what other factors you should consider. Formula The One My first outing on Formula brakes. , ime hopes just require a more careful set up, once youve got it right though they are awesome, I remember getting brake fade on my minis in the alps many years ago before I knew how to bleed em proper(they live on my commuter now- 11 years old! Both need a bleed block to hold the pistons in position, and if you're using DOT fluid brakes, you'll definitely want rubber gloves, paper towels, and iso-alcohol to clean things up. Hydros require more knowledge and pre-trip experience with how they work. Shimano BL-MT200 is best used for rotors with 160mm and 180 mm sizes. So the good news is that we have the choice of two different brakes with very different styles and equally brilliant in their own way. Just look at them theyre seriously glamorous. BIKEPACKING.com is dedicated to exploration by bicycle. Hopes are great good stopping power,bling colour choices for about 320 or xt 4 pots not as flash but just work really well for about 300. The adjusters make a real difference (Shimano ones do little to nothing). Yes they give an opinion but they give reasons YMMV, 1. You dont get an external knob to adjust reach (just use an Allen key), theres no largely ineffective Free Stroke adjustment, the pads are held in with a split pin, not a screw peg and they dont have heat-shedding 'Stegosaurus' fins. Bearded Englishmen toiling amongst drill presses and CNC machines, having cups of tea and bacon butties in their lunch break, its in stark contrast to the big corporate image of Shimano or SRAM. Given that these are a downhill brake, the power is excellent, and for sheer grunt these were the best of this bunch. Think thats just due to my braking style, I dont drag brakes, I tend to be on them or off them. so the review is based on 7 years on Hope v a mooch round on Shimanos? Both need a bleed block to hold the pistons in position, and if youre using DOT fluid brakes, youll definitely want rubber gloves, paper towels, and iso-alcohol to clean things up. But.weigh quite a bit, feel a wee bit wooden and suffer from brake fade sooner than id like (on 203mm!). Singletrack uses affiliate services calledSkimlinksandwhich means we may earn revenue if you buy a product after clicking a link to a retailer on our site. I run 203/180mm rotors front and rear, which helps for bikepacking too.. $139.99 + $12.75 shipping. Light, fast, lever feel and quick pad engagement thanks to the Servo Wave levers. That means Deore has a significantly better feel than anything cheaper, flawless lever pull consistency (not a Shimano strongpoint recently) and relentless reliability. Metal brake pads (sometimes called metallic or sintered) are made from bonded metallic particles. 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